Comments on: My Expelled Review (sort of) http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/ Understanding Science and the Theology of Creation Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:55:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Steve Douglas http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-616 Steve Douglas Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:34:22 +0000 http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-616 Excellent review! I really think an EC counter to it would be amazingly successful, especially if we had people from S.G. Gould and P.Z. Meyers to Francis Collins and Kenneth Miller emphasizing the limitations of science. hope sometime in the near future there will be a high profile organization that will be able to counterbalance to this nonsense; some would say there already is - The Discovery Channel or National Geographic, for example - but Christians will only allow themselves to be challenged by people they perceive as Christians. From what I've seen of Francis Collins, his humble, affable demeanor undergirded by his undeniable credentials, would be an excellent host. Is anyone aware of a well-regarded Christian organization that has made a stand for mainstream science? Excellent review!

I really think an EC counter to it would be amazingly successful, especially if we had people from S.G. Gould and P.Z. Meyers to Francis Collins and Kenneth Miller emphasizing the limitations of science. hope sometime in the near future there will be a high profile organization that will be able to counterbalance to this nonsense; some would say there already is - The Discovery Channel or National Geographic, for example - but Christians will only allow themselves to be challenged by people they perceive as Christians. From what I’ve seen of Francis Collins, his humble, affable demeanor undergirded by his undeniable credentials, would be an excellent host. Is anyone aware of a well-regarded Christian organization that has made a stand for mainstream science?

]]> By: Steve Douglas http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-617 Steve Douglas Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:36:53 +0000 http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-617 Sorry for the missing words above - ironic, eh, Gordon? :D Sorry for the missing words above - ironic, eh, Gordon? :D

]]> By: Cliff Martin http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-618 Cliff Martin Thu, 01 May 2008 03:18:02 +0000 http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-618 Thank you, Gordon. The only problem I see is that your readership seems mostly comprised of the choir ... as is the case with my blog, and Steve's, etc. Steve's thought of an E.C. answer to the Discovery Institute, and ICR is excellent. What would it take? Could E.C. people somehow band together, pool resources, invite evangelical scientists and other interested supporters? I would travel across the country for such a conference. Would more evangelical scientists come out of the closet if such a conference could be successfully staged? I seem to recall that the I.D. movement was spawned by just such a conference, led by Philip Johnson and others. I remember reading about it when it happened (at the time, I was genuinely excited about it). In answer to your question, Steve, I know of no such organization. If anyone knows of such an organization, I'd like to know about it because I would support it. And if it does not exist, what would it take to get the ball rolling? Thank you, Gordon. The only problem I see is that your readership seems mostly comprised of the choir … as is the case with my blog, and Steve’s, etc. Steve’s thought of an E.C. answer to the Discovery Institute, and ICR is excellent. What would it take? Could E.C. people somehow band together, pool resources, invite evangelical scientists and other interested supporters? I would travel across the country for such a conference. Would more evangelical scientists come out of the closet if such a conference could be successfully staged? I seem to recall that the I.D. movement was spawned by just such a conference, led by Philip Johnson and others. I remember reading about it when it happened (at the time, I was genuinely excited about it). In answer to your question, Steve, I know of no such organization. If anyone knows of such an organization, I’d like to know about it because I would support it. And if it does not exist, what would it take to get the ball rolling?

]]> By: RBH http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-619 RBH Thu, 01 May 2008 05:38:46 +0000 http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-619 Erm, doesn't the American Scientific Affiliation fit (most of) the description of the organization you want, Gordon? No PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins, of course, but a fair number of evangelicals who are in your camp, no? Erm, doesn’t the American Scientific Affiliation fit (most of) the description of the organization you want, Gordon? No PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins, of course, but a fair number of evangelicals who are in your camp, no?

]]> By: Steve Douglas http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-621 Steve Douglas Thu, 01 May 2008 22:49:24 +0000 http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-621 You can tell I'm a newb to this field. That does seem like the sort of thing I was talking about, RBH. And as for my comment about Myers (I misspelled it!) and S.J. Gould (I said S.G.!), I was referring to a documentary/movie to redirect attention after Expelled, not potential members of the organization I was talking about. I need to check out the A.S.A site and see what exactly they do. You can tell I’m a newb to this field. That does seem like the sort of thing I was talking about, RBH. And as for my comment about Myers (I misspelled it!) and S.J. Gould (I said S.G.!), I was referring to a documentary/movie to redirect attention after Expelled, not potential members of the organization I was talking about. I need to check out the A.S.A site and see what exactly they do.

]]> By: GJG http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-622 GJG Fri, 02 May 2008 01:36:02 +0000 http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/30/my-expelled-review-sort-of/#comment-622 Cliff, Steve, RBH... My brother lives in NYC and does films and media. Not just produces, but writes and directs. Every once in a while I have these dreams of working with him to produce just such a film. In fact, I have several ideas of what it could be like. His style is very witty and intelligent, sometimes satirical, which would lower people's defenses and get the points across. He is working now to produce his own series of "mockumentaries" and probably wouldn't have time to work on such a project without funding. Perhaps someday... I really should join ASA. I met the head of the local chapter at the C.S. Lewis Institute about a month when I hear Dr. Francis Collins speak. They could pull something like this off. -GJG Cliff, Steve, RBH…

My brother lives in NYC and does films and media. Not just produces, but writes and directs. Every once in a while I have these dreams of working with him to produce just such a film. In fact, I have several ideas of what it could be like. His style is very witty and intelligent, sometimes satirical, which would lower people’s defenses and get the points across. He is working now to produce his own series of “mockumentaries” and probably wouldn’t have time to work on such a project without funding. Perhaps someday…

I really should join ASA. I met the head of the local chapter at the C.S. Lewis Institute about a month when I hear Dr. Francis Collins speak. They could pull something like this off.

-GJG

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