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	<title>Comments on: Science and Education #3</title>
	<link>http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/27/science-and-education-3/</link>
	<description>Understanding Science and the Theology of Creation</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/27/science-and-education-3/#comment-610</link>
		<author>Pete</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Very excellent post.  My anticipation for your coming book grows with each of your blog entries.

"The reason for this is simple: there is nothing particularly theologically or exegetically unsettling about gravity working through a material mechanism (ordinary means or proximate causes). "

The "problem" of many scientific conclusions is that they call into question the history as presented in the early chapters of Genesis.  Since we are not all educated by Enns (and indeed, since he himself never quite says it) denying the history of said chapters completely and outright denies innerency for most.  I know I have been a broken record on this, but I STILL struggle with this myself.  It just seems infeasible that the human population was bottlenecked down to 8 people a mere 4-5k years ago (and don't get me started on animal distribution, such as Australia, which quite clearly tells a story of common descent over millions of years, not 2 animals of all kinds in one location).  And yet I have just as hard a time understanding the way God communicates if what seems to be history is in reality mythology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very excellent post.  My anticipation for your coming book grows with each of your blog entries.</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason for this is simple: there is nothing particularly theologically or exegetically unsettling about gravity working through a material mechanism (ordinary means or proximate causes). &#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;problem&#8221; of many scientific conclusions is that they call into question the history as presented in the early chapters of Genesis.  Since we are not all educated by Enns (and indeed, since he himself never quite says it) denying the history of said chapters completely and outright denies innerency for most.  I know I have been a broken record on this, but I STILL struggle with this myself.  It just seems infeasible that the human population was bottlenecked down to 8 people a mere 4-5k years ago (and don&#8217;t get me started on animal distribution, such as Australia, which quite clearly tells a story of common descent over millions of years, not 2 animals of all kinds in one location).  And yet I have just as hard a time understanding the way God communicates if what seems to be history is in reality mythology.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/27/science-and-education-3/#comment-611</link>
		<author>Steve Douglas</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gordon, you're awesome.  "Intelligent gravity" :)  I just ordered &lt;em&gt;Beyond the Firmament&lt;/em&gt; yesterday and I can't wait to read it.  Thanks for all your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, you&#8217;re awesome.  &#8220;Intelligent gravity&#8221; <img src='http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I just ordered <em>Beyond the Firmament</em> yesterday and I can&#8217;t wait to read it.  Thanks for all your work.</p>
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		<title>By: GJG</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/27/science-and-education-3/#comment-612</link>
		<author>GJG</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pete,

Thanks for the kind reply.  The new book might still be a year or more out - I haven't even sold the idea yet.  This summer, however, I do plan to release this series on Science and Christian Education via on-line video.  The title of the series will be "From Scientific Swords to Plowshares of Discovery: A Model for Science Education in Private Christian Schools" and I believe it will get Christian educators to start thinking about the natural sciences as tools of learning about all that God hath made, rather than as weapons of spiritual warfare.  That's the idea anyway.  The reason I'm turning the seminar into a series of blog posts is to get some initial feedback from my audience before producing the final product.  I hope to freely distribute the series to promote BTF.  


Steve,

Thanks for buying the book.  Because of your positive encouragement, I'm going to start the next post tonight!

-GJG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind reply.  The new book might still be a year or more out - I haven&#8217;t even sold the idea yet.  This summer, however, I do plan to release this series on Science and Christian Education via on-line video.  The title of the series will be &#8220;From Scientific Swords to Plowshares of Discovery: A Model for Science Education in Private Christian Schools&#8221; and I believe it will get Christian educators to start thinking about the natural sciences as tools of learning about all that God hath made, rather than as weapons of spiritual warfare.  That&#8217;s the idea anyway.  The reason I&#8217;m turning the seminar into a series of blog posts is to get some initial feedback from my audience before producing the final product.  I hope to freely distribute the series to promote BTF.  </p>
<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Thanks for buying the book.  Because of your positive encouragement, I&#8217;m going to start the next post tonight!</p>
<p>-GJG</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/27/science-and-education-3/#comment-613</link>
		<author>Steve Douglas</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>IMO, a major part of the antagonism many Christians have toward science is that, in rationalist/modernist tradition, the role of science is not sufficiently delimited when presented.  Consequently, I applaud your efforts to reintroduce the importance of science to the Christian community with an emphasis on its limitations so that the teleological/scientific boundaries are more clearly enunciated and Christians don't have to feel threatened.

Of course, I am convinced that the primary - and utterly unavoidable - challenge comes in with the question of how we are to interpret Scripture.  "I mean, it says plainly right there in the Bible that God created the world in six days!"  "If there was no Adam, how could Christ be the second one?"  Hermeneutics are crucially at issue here.  Until Christian science educators can concoct a quick and snappy way of presenting this, or until we get Christian theology educators to present it, the evolution thing is a big can of worms that a lot of educators value their jobs too much to open.  Perhaps you can address the best way of dealing with these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, a major part of the antagonism many Christians have toward science is that, in rationalist/modernist tradition, the role of science is not sufficiently delimited when presented.  Consequently, I applaud your efforts to reintroduce the importance of science to the Christian community with an emphasis on its limitations so that the teleological/scientific boundaries are more clearly enunciated and Christians don&#8217;t have to feel threatened.</p>
<p>Of course, I am convinced that the primary - and utterly unavoidable - challenge comes in with the question of how we are to interpret Scripture.  &#8220;I mean, it says plainly right there in the Bible that God created the world in six days!&#8221;  &#8220;If there was no Adam, how could Christ be the second one?&#8221;  Hermeneutics are crucially at issue here.  Until Christian science educators can concoct a quick and snappy way of presenting this, or until we get Christian theology educators to present it, the evolution thing is a big can of worms that a lot of educators value their jobs too much to open.  Perhaps you can address the best way of dealing with these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: GJG</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/27/science-and-education-3/#comment-614</link>
		<author>GJG</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Couldn't agree more brother!  As the post series continues, let me know how I do in addressing these very issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more brother!  As the post series continues, let me know how I do in addressing these very issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Beidler</title>
		<link>http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/2008/04/27/science-and-education-3/#comment-701</link>
		<author>Mike Beidler</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pardon the quote-butchering.  I'm just thinking out loud.  ;-)

&lt;i&gt;Once we turn science into dogma, it loses it’s ability to adjust, react and correct itself to keep pace with our increasing ability to gather data; and instead becomes conscripted into the service of [atheistic] apologetics.  Rather than treat the natural science[s] as means to humbly learn about the infinite wonders of [the cosmos] in all of its peculiarities, [materialists] instead use them as a tools to reinforce [their] worldview assumptions.  Welcome to the world of [atheistic] “folk” science.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the quote-butchering.  I&#8217;m just thinking out loud.  <img src='http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>Once we turn science into dogma, it loses it’s ability to adjust, react and correct itself to keep pace with our increasing ability to gather data; and instead becomes conscripted into the service of [atheistic] apologetics.  Rather than treat the natural science[s] as means to humbly learn about the infinite wonders of [the cosmos] in all of its peculiarities, [materialists] instead use them as a tools to reinforce [their] worldview assumptions.  Welcome to the world of [atheistic] “folk” science.</i></p>
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